18 Reasons I Won’t Be Getting a Covid Vaccine

Editor’s Note: We are not opposed to vaccines. They have done much good. But there are risks and this article describes them masterfully, especially in regards to those for COVID. There are varying definitions of what a “vaccine ” is and we are not sure these even meet the more rigorous definitions. Modifying RNA for immunity is an ingenious idea, but we don’t know if it was done right and if all the ramifications were considered. Certainly not thoroughly tested/questioned.

The views and opinions expressed in this commentary are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Citizens Journal

By Christian Elliot 

A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic.

All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them.

Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would rather just write about something else, but I feel like the discussion/news is so one-sided that I should speak up.

As I always strive to do, I promise to do my best to be level-headed and non-hysterical.

I’m not here to pick a fight with anyone, just to walk you through some of what I’ve read, my lingering questions, and explain why I can’t make sense of these covid vaccines.


If you care to engage on this topic with me, excellent.

Here are the rules…

I am more than happy to correspond with you if…

  1. You are respectful and treat me the way you would want to be treated.

  2. You ask genuinely thoughtful questions about what makes sense to you.

  3. You make your points using sound logic and don’t hide behind links or the word “science.”

If you do respond, and you break any of those rules, your comments will be ignored/deleted.

With that out of the way, let me say this…

I don’t know everything, but so far no one has been able to answer the objections below.

So here are the reasons I’m opting out of the covid vaccine.


The only industry in the world that bears no liability for injuries or deaths resulting from their products, are vaccine makers.

First established in 1986 with the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, and reinforced by the PREP Act, vaccine makers cannot be sued, even if they are shown to be negligent.

The covid-vaccine makers are allowed to create a one-size-fits-all product, with no testing on sub-populations (i.e. people with specific health conditions), and yet they are unwilling to accept any responsibility for any adverse events or deaths their products cause.

If a company is not willing to stand behind their product as safe, especially one they rushed to market and skipped animal trials on, I am not willing to take a chance on their product.

No liability. No trust.

Here’s why…


The four major companies who are making these covid vaccines are/have either:

  1. Never brought a vaccine to market before covid (Moderna and Johnson & Johnson).

  2. Are serial felons (Pfizer, and Astra Zeneca).

  3. Are both (Johnson & Johnson).

Moderna had been trying to “Modernize our RNA” (thus the company name)–for years, but had never successfully brought ANY product to market–how nice for them to get a major cash infusion from the government to keep trying.

In fact, all major vaccine makers (save Moderna) have paid out tens of billions of dollars in damages for other products they brought to market when they knew those products would cause injuries and death–see Vioxx, Bextra, Celebrex, Thalidomide, and Opioids as a few examples.

If drug companies willfully choose to put harmful products in the market, when they can be sued, why would we trust any product where they have NO liability?

In case it hasn’t sunk in, let me reiterate…3 of the 4 covid vaccine makers have been sued for products they brought to market even though they knew injuries and deaths would result.

Let me reiterate this point:

Given the free pass from liability, and the checkered past of these companies, why would we assume that all their vaccines are safe and made completely above board?

Where else in life would we trust someone with that kind of reputation?

To me that makes as much sense as expecting a remorseless, abusive, unfaithful lover to become a different person because a judge said deep down they are a good person.

No. I don’t trust them.

No liability. No trust.

Here’s another reason why I don’t trust them.


There have been many attempts to make viral vaccines in the past that ended in utter failure, which is why we did not have a coronavirus vaccine in 2020.

In the 1960’s, scientists attempted to make an RSV (Respiratory Syncytial Virus) vaccine for infants.

In that study, they skipped animal trials because they weren’t necessary back then.

In the end, the vaccinated infants got much sicker than the unvaccinated infants when exposed to the virus in nature, with 80% of the vaccinated infants requiring hospitalization, and two of them died.

After 2000, scientists made many attempts to create coronavirus vaccines.

For the past 20 years, all ended in failure because the animals in the clinical trials got very sick and many died, just like the children in the 1960’s.

You can read a summary of this history/science here.

Or if you want to read the individual studies you can check out these links:

  • In 2004 attempted vaccine produced hepatitis in ferrets

  • In 2005 mice and civets became sick and more susceptible to coronaviruses after being vaccinated

  • In 2012 the ferrets became sick and died. And in this study mice and ferrets developed lung disease.

  • In 2016 this study also produce lung disease in mice.

The typical pattern in the studies mentioned above is that the children and the animals produced beautiful antibody responses after being vaccinated.

The manufacturers thought they hit the jackpot.

The problem came when the children and animals were exposed to the wild version of the virus.

When that happened, an unexplained phenomenon called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) also known as Vaccine Enhanced Disease (VED) occurred where the immune system produced a “cytokine storm” (i.e. overwhelmingly attacked the body), and the children/animals died.

Here’s the lingering issue…

The vaccine makers have no data to suggest their rushed vaccines have overcome that problem.

In other words, never before has any attempt to make a coronavirus vaccine been successful, nor has the gene-therapy technology that is mRNA “vaccines” been safely brought to market, but hey, since they had billions of dollars in government funding, I’m sure they figured that out.

Except they don’t know if they have…


When vaccine makers submitted their papers to the FDA for the Emergency Use Authorization (Note: An EUA is not the same as a full FDA approval), among the many “Data Gaps” they reported was that they have nothing in their trials to suggest they overcame that pesky problem of Vaccine Enhanced Disease.

They simply don’t know–i.e. they have no idea if the vaccines they’ve made will also produce the same cytokine storm (and deaths) as previous attempts at such products.

As Joseph Mercola points out…

Previous attempts to develop an mRNA-based drug using lipid nanoparticles failed and had to be abandoned because when the dose was too low, the drug had no effect, and when dosed too high, the drug became too toxic. An obvious question is: What has changed that now makes this technology safe enough for mass use?”

If that’s not alarming enough, here are other gaps in the data–i.e. there is no data to suggest safety or efficacy regarding:

  • Anyone younger than age 18 or older than age 55

  • Pregnant or lactating mothers

  • Auto-immune conditions

  • Immunocompromised individuals

  • No data on transmission of covid

  • No data on preventing mortality from covid

  • No data on duration of protection from covid

Hard to believe right?

In case you think I’m making this up, or want to see the actual documents sent to the FDA by Pfizer and Moderna for their Emergency Use Authorization, you can check out this, or this respectively. The data gaps can be found starting with page 46 and 48 respectively.

For now let’s turn our eyes to the raw data the vaccine makers used to submit for emergency use authorization.


Would you like to see the raw data that produced the “90% and 95% effective” claims touted in the news?

Me too…

But they won’t let us see that data.

As pointed out in the BMJ, something about the Pfizer and Moderna efficacy claims smells really funny.

There were “3,410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1,594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1,816 in the placebo group.”


Did they fail to do science in their scientific study by not verifying a major variable?

Could they not test those “suspected but unconfirmed” cases to find out if they had covid?

Apparently not.

Why not test all 3,410 participants for the sake of accuracy?

Can we only guess they didn’t test because it would mess up their “90-95% effective” claims?

Where’s the FDA?

Would it not be prudent for the FDA, to expect (demand) that the vaccine makers test people who have “covid-like symptoms,” and release their raw data so outside, third-parties could examine how the manufacturers justified the numbers?

I mean it’s only every citizen of the world we’re trying to get to take these experimental products…

Why did the FDA not require that? Isn’t that the entire purpose of the FDA anyway?

Good question.

Foxes guarding the hen house?

Seems like it.

No liability. No trust.


Obviously, with products that have only been on the market a few months, we have no long-term safety data.

In other words, we have no idea what this product will do in the body months or years from now–for ANY population.

Given all the risks above (risks that ALL pharmaceutical products have), would it not be prudent to wait to see if the worst-case scenarios have indeed been avoided?

Would it not make sense to want to fill those pesky “data gaps” before we try to give this to every man, woman, and child on the planet?

Well…that would make sense, but to have that data, they need to test it on people, which leads me to my next point…


What most who are taking the vaccine don’t know is that because these products are still in clinical trials, anyone who gets the shot is now part of the clinical trial.

They are part of the experiment.

Those (like me) who do not take it, are part of the control group.

Time will tell how this experiment works out.

But, you may be asking, if the vaccines are causing harm, wouldn’t we be seeing that all over the news?

Surely the FDA would step in and pause the distribution?

Well, if the adverse events reporting system was working, maybe things would be different.


According to a study done by Harvard (at the commission of our own government), less than 1% of all adverse reactions to vaccines are actually submitted to the National Vaccine Adverse Events Reports System (VAERS) – read page 6 at the link above.

While the problems with VAERS have not been fixed (as you can read about in this letter to the CDC), at the time of this writing VAERS reports over 2,200 deaths from the current covid vaccines, as well as close to 60,000 adverse reactions.

“VAERS data released today showed 50,861 reports of adverse events following COVID vaccines, including 2,249 deaths and 7,726 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and March 26, 2021.”

And those numbers don’t include (what is currently) 578 cases of Bell’s Palsy.

If those numbers are still only 1% of the total adverse reactions (or .8 to 2% of what this study published recently in the JAMA found), you can do the math, but that equates to somewhere around 110,00 to 220,000 deaths from the vaccines to date, and a ridiculous number of adverse reactions.

Bet you didn’t see that on the news.

That death number would currently still be lower than the 424,000 deaths from medical errors that happen every year (which you probably also don’t hear about), but we are not even six months into the rollout of these vaccines yet.

If you want a deeper dive into the problems with the VAERS reporting system, you can check this out, or check this out.

But then there’s my next point, which could be argued makes these covid vaccines seem pointless…


Wait, what?

Aren’t these vaccines supposed to be what we’ve been waiting for to “go back to normal”?


Why do you think we’re getting all these conflicting messages about needing to practice social distancing and wear masks AFTER we get a vaccine?

The reason is because these vaccines were never designed to stop transmission OR infection.

If you don’t believe me, I refer you again to the papers submitted to the FDA I linked to above.

The primary endpoint (what the vaccines are meant to accomplish) is to lower your symptoms.

Sounds like just about every other drug on the market right?

That’s it…lowering your symptoms is the big payoff we’ve been waiting for.

Does that seem completely pointless to anyone but me?

  1. It can’t stop us from spreading the virus.

  2. It can’t stop the virus from infecting us once we have it.

  3. To get the vaccine is to accept all the risk of these experimental products and the best it might do is lower symptoms?

Heck, there are plenty of other things I can do to lower my symptoms that don’t involve taking what appears to be a really risky product.

Now for the next logical question:

If we’re worried about asymptomatic spreaders, would the vaccine not make it more likely that we are creating asymptomatic spread?

If it indeed reduces symptoms, anyone who gets it might not even know they are sick and thus they are more likely to spread the virus, right?

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard many people say the side effects of the vaccine (especially the second dose) are worse than catching covid.

I can’t make sense of that either.

Take the risk.

Get no protection.

Suffer through the vaccine side-effects.

Keep wearing your mask and social distancing…

And continue to be able to spread the virus.


It gets worse.


Talk about a bummer.

You get vaccinated and you still catch covid.

In reality, this phenomenon is probably happening everywhere, but those are the ones making the news now.

Given the reasons above (and what’s below), maybe this doesn’t surprise you, but bummer if you thought the vaccine was a shield to keep you safe.

It’s not.

That was never the point.

If 66% of healthcare workers in L.A. are going to delay or skip the vaccine…maybe they aren’t wowed by the rushed science either.

Maybe they are watching the shady way deaths and cases are being reported…


According to the CDC’s own numbers, covid has a 99.74% survival rate.

Why would I take a risk on a product, that doesn’t stop infection or transmission, to help me overcome a cold that has a .26% chance of killing me–actually in my age range is has about a .1% chance of killing me (and .01% chance of killing my kids), but let’s not split hairs here.

With a bar (death rate) that low, we will be in lockdown every year…i.e. forever.

But wait, what about the 500,000 plus deaths, that’s alarming right?

I’m glad you asked.


Something smells really funny about this one.

Never before in the history of death certificates has our own government changed how deaths are reported.

Why now, are we reporting everyone who dies with covid in their body, as having died of covid, rather than the co-morbidities that actually took their life?

Until covid, all coronaviruses (common colds) were never listed as the primary cause of death when someone died of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, auto-immune conditions, or any other major co-morbidity.

The disease was listed as the cause of death, and a confounding factor like flu or pneumonia was listed on a separate line.

To bloat the number even more, both the W.H.O. and the C.D.C. changed their guidelines such that those who are suspected or probable (but were never confirmed) of having died of covid, are also included in the death numbers.


If we are going to do that then should we not go back and change the numbers of all past cold and flu seasons so we can compare apples to apples when it comes to death rates?

According to the CDCs own numbers, (scroll down to the section “Comorbidities and other conditions”) only 6% of the deaths being attributed to covid are instances where covid seems to be the only issue at hand.

In other words, reduce the death numbers you see on the news by 94% and you have what is likely the real numbers of deaths from just covid.

Even if the former CDC director is correct and covid-19 was a lab-enhanced virus (see Reason #14 below), a .26% death rate is still in line with the viral death rate that circles the planet ever year.

Then there’s this Fauci guy.

I’d really love to trust him, but besides the fact that he hasn’t treated one covid patient…you should probably know…


Thanks to the Bayh-Dole Act, government workers are allowed to file patents on any research they do using tax payer funding.

Tony Fauci owns over 1,000 patents (see this video for more details), including patents being used on the Moderna vaccine…which he approved government funding for.

In fact, the NIH (which NIAID is part of) claims joint ownership of Moderna’s vaccine.

Does anyone else see this as a MAJOR conflict of interest, or criminal even?

I say criminal because there’s also this pesky problem that makes me even more distrustful of Fauci, NIAD, and the NIH in general.


What is “Gain-of-Function” research?

It’s where scientists attempt to make viruses gain functions–i.e. make them more transmissible and deadlier.

Sounds at least a touch unethical, right?

How could that possibly be helpful?

Our government agreed, and banned the practice.

So what did the Fauci-led NIAID do?

They pivoted and outsourced the gain-of-function research (in coronaviruses no less) to China–to the tune of a $600K grant.

You can see more details, including the important timeline of these events in this fantastically well-researched documentary.

Mr. Fauci, you have some explaining to do…and I hope the cameras are recording when you have to defend your actions.

For now, let’s turn our attention back to the virus…


Not only does the virus (like all viruses) continue to mutate, but according to world-renowned vaccine developer Geert Vanden Bossche (who you’ll meet below if you don’t know him) it’s mutating about every 10 hours.

How in the world are we going to keep creating vaccines to keep up with that level of mutation?

We’re not.

Might that also explain why fully vaccinated people are continuing to catch covid?

Why, given that natural immunity has never ultimately failed humanity, do we suddenly not trust it?

Why, if I ask questions like the above, or post links like what you find above, will my thoughts be deleted from all major social media platforms?

That brings me to the next troubling problem I have with these vaccines.


I can’t help but get snarky here, so humor me.

How did you enjoy all those nationally and globally-televised, robust debates put on by public health officials, and broadcast simultaneously on every major news station?

Wasn’t it great hearing from the best minds in medicine, virology, epidemiology, economics, and vaccinology from all over the world as they vigorously and respectfully debated things like:

  • Lockdowns

  • Mask wearing

  • Social-distancing

  • Vaccine efficacy and safety trials

  • How to screen for susceptibility to vaccine injury

  • Therapeutics, (i.e. non-vaccine treatment options)

Wasn’t it great seeing public health officials (who never treated anyone with covid) have their “science” questioned.

Wasn’t it great seeing the FDA panel publicly grill the vaccine makers in prime time as they stood in the hot-seat of tough questions about products of which they have no liability?

Oh, wait…you didn’t see those debates?

No, you didn’t…because they never happened.

What happened instead was heavy-handed censorship of all but one narrative.

Ironically, Mark Zuckerberg can question vaccine safety, but I can’t?


When did the first amendment become a suggestion?

It’s the FIRST amendment Mark–the one our founders thought was most important.

With so much at stake, why are we fed only one narrative…shouldn’t many perspectives be heard and professionally debated?


What has happened to the scientific method of always challenging our assumptions?

What happened to lively debate in this country, or at least in Western society?

Why did anyone who disagrees with the WHO, or the CDC get censored so heavily?

Is the science of public health a religion now, or is science supposed to be about debate?

If someone says “the science is settled” that’s how I know I’m dealing with someone who is closed minded.

By definition science (especially biological science) is never settled.

If it was, it would be dogma, not science.

OK, before I get too worked up, let me say this…


I really do.

If lockdowns work, I want to do my part and stay home.

If masks work, I want to wear them.

If social distancing is effective, I want to comply.

But, if there is evidence they don’t (masks for example), I want to hear that evidence too.

If highly-credentialed scientists have different opinions, I want to know what they think.

I want a chance to hear their arguments and make up my own mind.

I don’t think I’m the smartest person in the world, but I think I can think.

Maybe I’m weird, but if someone is censored, then I REALLY want to hear what they think.

Don’t you?

To all my friends who don’t have a problem with censorship, will you have the same opinion when what you think is censored?

Is censorship not the technique of dictators, tyrants, and greedy, power-hungry people?

Is it not a sign that those who are doing the censoring know it’s the only way they can win?

What if a man who spent his entire life developing vaccines was willing to put his entire reputation on the line and call on all global leaders to immediately stop the covid vaccines because of problems with the science?

What if he pleaded for an open-scientific debate on a global stage?

Would you want to hear what he has to say?

Would you want to see the debate he’s asking for?


Here is what may be the biggest reason this covid vaccine doesn’t make sense to me.

When someone who is very pro-vaccine, who has spent his entire professional career overseeing the development of vaccines, is shouting from the mountaintops that we have a major problem, I think the man should be heard.

In case you missed it, and in case you care to watch it, here is Geert Vanden Bossche, explaining:

  1. Why the covid vaccine may be putting so much pressure on the virus that we are accelerating it’s ability to mutate and become more deadly.

  2. Why the covid vaccines may be creating vaccine-resistant viruses (similar to anti-biotic resistant bacteria).

  3. Why, because of previous problems with Antibody Dependent Enhancement, we may be looking at a mass casualty event in the next few months/years.


If you want to see/read about a second, and longer, interview with Vanden Bossche, where he was asked some tough questions, you can check this out.

If half of what he says comes true, these vaccines could be the worst invention of all time.

If you don’t like his science, take it up with him.

I’m just the messenger.

But I can also speak to covid personally.


I didn’t enjoy it.

It was a nasty cold for two days:

  • Unrelenting butt/low-back aches

  • Very low energy.

  • Low-grade fever.

It was weird not being able to smell anything for a couple days.

A week later, coffee still tasted a little “off.”

But I survived.

Now it appears (as it always has) that I have beautiful, natural, life-long immunity

…not something likely to wear off in a few months if I get the vaccine.

In my body, and my household, covid is over.

In fact, now that I’ve had it, there is evidence the covid vaccine might actually be more dangerous for me.

That is not a risk I’m willing to take.


The above are just my reasons for not wanting the vaccine.

Maybe my reasons make sense to you, maybe they don’t.

Whatever does makes sense to you, hopefully we can still be friends.

I for one think there’s a lot more that we have in common than what separates us.

  • We all want to live in a world of freedom.

  • We all want to do our part to help others and to live well.

  • We all want the right to express our opinions without fearing we’ll be censored or viciously attacked.

  • We all deserve to have the access to the facts so we can make informed decisions.

Agree or disagree with me; I’ll treat you no differently.

You’re a human just as worthy of love and respect as anyone else.

For that I salute you, and I truly wish you all the best.

I hope you found this helpful.

If so, feel free to share.

If not, feel free to (kindly) let me know what didn’t make sense to you and I’d be happy to hear your thoughts too.

Stay curious and stay humble.

PS. If you think I studied this topic well, think about how much thought I would put into helping you with your health. Helping people with their health is what I do all day, every day.

PPS. Health can’t be injected, but it can be earned.

The views and opinions expressed in this commentary are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Citizens Journal

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Some interesting excerpts from articles on vaccine approval for. kids- funny how they look at it in different light when comes to kids vs adults:

“We should certainly not underestimate the knowledge and decision-making power of the public,” VRBPAC member Dr. Michael Nelson said, calling it “an access and really
a personal choice and equity question, and not a mandate for all in this age.”

Oh really so parents are allowed to make choice/decision for kids but not themselves

“Panelists stressed they weren’t supporting vaccine mandates for young children — and the FDA doesn’t make mandate decisions. FDA vaccine chief Dr. Peter Marks also said it would be highly unusual for other groups to mandate something that’s cleared only for emergency use.”

Really? They did so for adults

“We’re never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it,” Rubin said. “That’s just the way it goes, and that’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines.”

Yikes, as said we’re all guinea pigs in an experiment

“There are high-risk individuals, and I think they do need to be attended to. We do need to provide a vaccine for them,” Kurilla said. “But for many others, one dose or no dose, even. If they’ve had prior covid infection, they may not need anything more.”

Yes should be same for adults, somehow they recognize natural immunity in kids but not adults


There are two types of immunity: active and passive.

Interesting contradictory info on cdc site:

“Active Immunity
results when exposure to a disease organism triggers the immune system to produce antibodies to that disease. Active immunity can be acquired through natural immunity or vaccine-induced immunity.

“Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease.
Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination.
Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it. Active immunity is long-lasting, and sometimes life-long.

“Passive Immunity
Passive immunity is provided when a person is given antibodies to a disease rather than producing them through his or her own immune system.”

“The major advantage to passive immunity is that protection is immediate, whereas active immunity takes time (usually several weeks) to develop. However, passive immunity lasts only for a few weeks or months. Only active immunity is long-lasting. ”

See how they admit/include natural immunity as a form of immunity and as long lasting sometimes lifelong?!


“Typically, a vaccine puts a weakened or inactivated virus into our bodies to trigger an immune response, which then produces antibodies. Those antibodies are what ultimately protect us from getting infected if we ever encounter the real thing.

According to the CDC, mRNA vaccines don’t contain the virus in any form but instead contain the material to “teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies.”


(Therefore it shouldn’t even be considered a vaccine as doesn’t meet their definition above reg contains a killed or weakened form)


Maybe a pharmaceutical marketing ploy (to allow eventual governmental and public acceptance) to call it a vaccine. Someone on Reddit commented that the pharmaceutical companies have former FDA commissioners/staff affiliated with them (such as board members), which inevitably would help the pharmaceutical companies know how to get things passed.

Wondering how the original studies were designed (ie: groups excluded from the study, whether certain types of side effects not studied or reported, etc).

All the lack of clarity and transparency creates a high degree of mistrust.
Totally don’t get the forceful attitude about the “vaccine,” and the inability to question it, and the inability to decline it for specific situations.


Vaccinated vs unvaccinated topic:

The vast division and friction (un-health) this is causing between family, friends, society, and people in general is AWFUL.

To solve this problem, the HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY needs to relay a direct, firm, widespread transparent message that:

  1. Vaccinated people can transmit the virus as well (perhaps even equally so, in whole!!?), AND
  2. Unvaccinated people may have valid reasons why they need to remain so. It is not appropriate, at all, to shame them.

The above clarity NEEDS TO COME FROM BRAVE HEALTHCARE administrators/practitioners, who have the ultimate direction/guidance above and to the pharmaceutical and government authorities.


“Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People”
“There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.”



Sue, that is only a small study. Medical studies should be much larger.
Here is a larger study instead.

“Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties…”Eur J Epidemiol 2021 Sep 30;1-4. doi: 10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
Direct PubMed link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34591202/

We have heard vaccinated people can significantly transmit the virus.
The shame, friction, division amongst vaccinated and unvaccinated is astoundingly awful, as I mentioned in my separate post.


“Not only is a booster now recommended against COVID, but the Wall Street Journal reports the Biden White House is reportedly ready to mandate booster shots every six months in perpetuity.

They’re trying to argue once you take the vaccine, your immune system becomes dependent on requiring a booster to chase new variants every six months.

“If you make billions of dollars for selling the government two shots. You would two times billions of dollars if you sold the government four shots,” says Bill Pascoe, the Tea Party Patriots’ “Man in Washington.”


Check out these faq’s q&a right on FDA site showing how much is unknown -!?
Why to approve such a thing- if all this is unknown, imagine how they speculate long term effects – it is unknown at this time, no data available – exactly

A: Data is not yet available to inform about the duration of protection that the vaccine will provide.

A: It is not known if the vaccine protects against asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection.

A: Most vaccines that protect from viral illnesses also reduce transmission of the virus that causes the disease by those who are vaccinated. While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will reduce such transmission.

A: While there have been no specific studies in these groups, there is no contraindication to receipt of the vaccine for pregnant or breastfeeding women. Pregnant or breastfeeding women should discuss potential benefits and risks of vaccination with their healthcare provider.



It would be good to hear transparency about:

.. Contracts: Are there contracts between governments and the pharmaceutical companies (timing, dollars, obligations to support manufacturing increase, cancellation fees, etc)? And if present, do these contracts put pressure on public health decisions? Maybe difficult to stop certain cycles in motion, though possible with integrity.

.. Diagnosing: What hospitalization clinical criteria qualify for a “covid” diagnosis, which is possibly reported to Medicare (for extra reimbursement to hospitals). Is there any fraud being discovered? Don’t know, maybe not, though wondering. LOTS of pressure that hospital staff are faced with (including possible pressure on coding staff). IS IT POSSIBLE PEOPLE ARE BEING DIAGNOSED WITH COVID WHEN THEY HAVE VACCINE INJURY INSTEAD? (or non-covid illness). Don’t know, wondering.

.. Reporting: Will the future “public summary reporting” have clarity about “vaccinated” vs “has also had booster”, and which booster?, and in what timing? (how long between doses). Will data be shared with the public in transparency?

.. Can the VAERS system be updated to capture an improved vaccine injury picture?, so it is better understood and used?

As the winter approaches:
.. Hoping an abundance of clarity and transparency in reporting.
.. Hoping that any “limited” data sets are reported as such (insufficient data).
.. Hoping decision-makers don’t jump to conclusions about data, before making/enforcing “rules” that can adversely impact people’s lives.

There is definitely a public health issue
which translates into individual lives at risk.
Above concerns not expressed to minimize real risks, as the vaccine might be crucial for some people.

Sending a wish that the right risks and situations are addressed, the right solutions found for all.


“Brandon Goodwin, an NBA player with the Atlanta Hawks, admitted recently that he got blood clots from the COVID vaccine that ended his season and possibly his career.

Goodwin said the NBA told him to keep it quiet.”
“Goodwin is confident it was from the COVID vaccine, ““I was fine until then. I was fine up until I took the vaccine, I was fine. People trying to tell you, ‘No. It’s not the vaccine.’ How do you know? You don’t know. Yes, the vaccine ended my season. One thousand percent.”



“These studies demonstrate what was and is already known: natural immunity for a SARS-type virus is robust, long-lasting, and broadly effective even in the case of mutations, generally more so than vaccines. In fact, a major contribution of 20th-century science has been to expand upon and further elucidate this principle that has been known since the ancient world. Every expert presumably knew this long before the current debates. The effort to pretend otherwise is a scientific scandal of the highest order, especially because the continued neglect of the topic is affecting the rights and freedoms of billions of people. ”



Anti-Vax Flat Earth Preacher Rob Skiba Dies From COVID-19


“Washington woman died from rare blood clotting syndrome after receiving Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine, local health agency says”



hey guys I’m having a tough time deciding who to believe. On the one hand, the most prestigious doctors in the world are saying COVID-19 is something to take seriously. But at the same time, this guy I went to high school with who “sees through the media” says otherwise. help


Hey guys I’m having a hard time deciding, is this Ed hiding under yet another alias, or just another dumb troll?


LOL! Yeah, this one sounds like it could be Ed. About the same mentality.


Sounds like you got a smart friend, I’d go with that one since he isn’t motivated by money, power, control and greed

Sheryl Hamlin

Pfizer loves boosters….can charge more..



Of course, soon they’ll require it every month


“Harvard, Despite a 95 Percent Vaccination Rate, Returns to Remote Learning After Breakthrough Outbreak”

“Given Harvard’s exceptional vaccination uptake, its breakthrough outbreak punctures a significant hole in the narrative that today’s mRNA vaccines are the vanguard for returning to normal. ”



I did nazi that coming either!


Spin it any way you want.
Anti-vaxxers are scared shjt-less of a needle.
They’d rather die than get the jab.


Not scared of a needle, no need or want for that concoction in my body when can still get it and spread it anyway, – already had covid, didn’t die


Well your statement is close, but no banana. Not many folks scared of a needle. But in this case, it’s what’s coming out of the needle we’re scared/leary of. Plus, quite a few of us don’t see a need to take this non-vaccine anyway. It doesn’t prevent anything. Anything at all. If someone told you to shoot up some nasty ‘ol swamp water, it won’t hurt you, would you do it? Probably not. Well, unless the gov’t told you to do it a lot of you would. And that’s what that non-vaccine is to a few of us, swamp water and gov’t compliance. They both look, smell and act the same way.


Nope, afraid of our immune systems being destroyed by a vaccine that doesn’t keep you from getting or spreading covid. You may have heard one or two saying they wouldn’t get it out if fear of s needle, but the majority have much greater concerns. I’ve had 3 babies and 3 surgeries, and you think I’m afraid of a needle???


“U.S. FDA staff say Moderna did not meet all criteria for COVID-19 boosters”

Oh darn-it

Ed will be so disappointed


Yes poor Ed, and a few others on here will be also.They’ll keep the faith. This one don’t pass they will wait on the next one. They’ll be waiting in fear for their lives, but they will wait.

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“Fully Vaccinated ‘Healthy’ Father, 58, Dies From Breakthrough COVID”
“He was told by the government [to get vaccinated], and he still died.”


“Fully Vaxxed Man Dies of COVID; It Could Have Been Worse, Doctor Said
August 12, 2021
In a macabre twist to COVID-19 reporting after a fully vaccinated man died from COVID complications, one news media source said, “Doctors said the condition of the father could have been worse if he was not vaccinated at all.”



Yeah, quite the logic there. Not sure how much worse it could have been. But as long as woke individuals keep believing in the gov’t diatribe and taking everything they say at face value and without questioning, the woke doctors will keep spewing out that kind of rubbish.


“BREAKING: Iceland Stops Use of Moderna Covid Vaccine for All Ages Over Heart Inflammation Concerns”



Poor Sue is using flawed thinking.


“U.S. Covid-19 Deaths For 2021 Surpass Toll From 2020”

Huh. And this year has a vaccine and all these people vaccinated yet we are still worse off than last year


Have you ever noticed how much displaced snow there is at the beginning of an avalanche compared to the amount of snow at the bottom? In a Pandemic every person who get the disease has the chance to spread to at least 4 others. That’s how it works. The longer the disease is around the larger percent of the population is infected. Hope this helps


Yeah too bad the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission-
doesn’t appear to be knocking the death rate down either


Most of Us Have No Idea How Horrific Dying From COVID Really Is (msn.com)

Yeah, I know. If it was on MSN it has to be all lies, right anti-vaxxers?


Well this is on MSN also and you claim it’s a lie

“Pfizer vax protection starts to wear off after 2 months”



yeah, they don’t want too see that truth.


And your point?

Lot’s and lot’s of horrible ways of dying. Oh, I got it. You were trying to use a scare tactic. My bad and now I done called you out on it.


“Pfizer’s COVID-19 immunity protection diminishes after 2 months, and it can reach as low as 20% after 4 months:
The studies affirm Pfizer’s earlier comments that its vaccines may not defend against COVID-19 infection as effectively over time.”

“These findings suggest that a large proportion of the vaccinated population could lose its protection against infection in the coming months, perhaps increasing the potential for new epidemic waves,” wrote the report.”

Yeah- and they blamed the unvaccinated for the spread
Again, natural immunity lasts way longer
Again, no reason to force vax to stop spread, no reason for passports and segregation



More anti-vaxx lies and nonsense from NoneJab.
Yeah, trust your life to this moron.


Oh look Ed’s back


Nunzab, you keep reporting the truth to folks on here but it’s not what so many of them want to here. If you ain’t reporting the gov’t/mainstream lies and deceit they are gonna resort to calling you names and accusing you of being a liar. You tell folks an uncomfortable truth and it puts them out of their comfort zone. When you’re already a sensitive little snowflake, the truth is very painful indeed. You really screw ’em up when you add in a dose of common sense. It’s kind of like holding a cross up to dracula.

But on another note, I see the downvote name is catching on. You have a downvotenonejab and I have a downvotedownvoteed. I even had a downvoteed replying to my own post further down below. I suppose it is that some folks don’t have enough brain power to even come up with their own name.


Yeah it’s prob all Ed incognito

Mike Smith

It should be clear by now that a study either confirms what common sense suggests, or it’s wrong.

Those hung up on the hysterical, Marxist ‘unvaccinated vs. vaccinated’ pablum do not follow the science — they merely follow the $cientists they agree with.

Meanwhile, the irrationally vilified (yet non-experimental) therapeutics continue to fight COVID-19 most effectively. And without any unhealthy after-effects in the vast majority of people.


I love when people randomly throw in “marxist” into their argument. It’s like they don’t know what it means, and try to use it as a threat.
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Well, I suppose that his example of vaccinated against unvaccinated does draw a certain comparative example. Marxism was about pitting the working class against the capitalist class and so from that perspective, I would say it fits just about perfect. But after reading some of your other posts, I don’t believe you have in your possession the brain power to look beyond the tip of your nose.


Disclaimer: Some people may absolutely need to get the vaccine!!!
Check with your medical provider and perhaps get many opinions.
It may be crucial for you to get the vaccine.

Otherwise, concerns as follows (especially about vaccine systems/communications)…

1.     Physician incentive:  Potential physician various incentives/reasons to disregard diagnosing reactions as vaccine injury.  Possible reasons:  a- May be huge pressure from their hospital/clinic administrators and government authorities, b- may NOT be taking the time to report situations in VAERS (maybe even because limited time to follow up with those reports as physicians are otherwise very busy), c – limited clinic time to think through if it could be vaccine injury and deal with that; d – wanting people to get vaccinated thinking they and their colleagues will be safer in their work; e – maybe even wanting people to get vaccinated because they had to for their job (so just like them);  f – and for at least a few, they might have limited experience to think outside the box of “standard procedure” (ie: very good at following manager directions/not feeling power to report issues); and g – risk of job loss.

2.     Administration incentive:  Strong incentive for hospital administrators to create a “system,” some sort of answer for a public health problem.  Important for people to understand:  Hospital administrators and organization administrators are not always the best practitioners for individualized medical care/individual situations.

3.     Lack of symptom mechanism (dizziness) :   Many reports of dizziness. That is a VERY serious symptom.  What is actually happening physiologically to cause that “dizziness” symptom?  What is the underlying vaccine mechanism to cause the dizziness?  If the reason for the physiological response is understood, maybe the medical world will start to be take this situation more seriously.  If the reason is not understood, why is the vaccine still being promoted or not corrected?

4.     Lack of symptom/sign mechanism (other):  Same with all the other “symptoms”/”signs,” including the myocarditis.  What is actually happening physiologically to cause the end reaction?  Whether the symptom/sign is felt/seen now, or may become apparent later, the underlying physiological occurrence (the reason for the symptoms/signs) should be well explained to the people.

5.     Medical coding incentive:  Possible strong incentive in hospital organizations for “medical coding” to classify someone as having COVID.   A) Are all institutions using the same covid test for diagnosing?; and b) What are the clinical non-test criteria for a covid diagnosis in a hospital or clinic?  (are the non-test criteria very subjective?).
While on that topic: On a similar note, how often is “delta” being classified by test, or is random testing for that classification?

6.     Financial incentives:  a) Do hospitals and clinics receive more money if they have a covid “diagnosis”? (medical coders want job security and, under powered, wondering if difficult for them to deviate from suggestions to suggest “covid” diagnosis via icd-10);  and b) What are the financial incentives of all decision makers including those at pharmaceutical companies?

7.     Vaccine trial exclusions:  Limited reports of vaccine trial inclusion for people with autoimmune conditions.  Was it, and WHY were, these conditions excluded in trials before getting this vaccine passed? People have different stages of many types of autoimmune conditions, some borderline or undiagnosed that they don’t want to aggravate.

8.     WHO causes virus transmission?:   Why are “unvaccinated” people (in general) currently being targeted as causing the problem?!!    I thought BOTH vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread the virus.  Why are unvaccinated people accused of the harm? 

9.     Unvaccinated SPECIFIC SUBGROUP:   Instead of shaming “all” unvaccinated, how about focus INSTEAD on unvaccinated people who:  1) don’t wear proper masks correctly; 2) aren’t using universal safety precautions (sanitation); and 3) place themselves in the midst of other people without taking any precautions.   

10.  Vaccinated safety precautions:  How about getting on the case of vaccinated people who are not taking precautions around everyone, including the unvaccinated people who can’t get the vaccine for medical and other reasons.

11.  Misplaced shame:   Shame and job loss for those who have sound reasons for not getting vaccinated is not fair.

12.  Forcing people out of jobs?:  The need to solve a public health problem is absolutely understood.  But why are individuals being forced to take a new “medicine” (with unknown long-term effects) to keep their jobs?   In compassion, can other jobs be found for them?

13.  Manufacturing processes:  Concerned about reliance on manufacturing process to be perfect for every lot – for something that may end up in bloodstream.  Important issue for all medicines, including this one.  Are some of the problems because of certain poor manufactured lots?  Is there transparency about manufacturing issues?

14.  Practitioner accuracy:  What is the accuracy of practitioners administering the vaccines throughout the US and world … ie: following the vaccine administration directions, which are complex – for something that may end up in the bloodstream as well?  There are various levels of practitioner expertise and attention span.  Is it only supposed to be administered in the muscle and not the bloodstream?  Still the same issues even if just to the muscle?

15.   Can everyone create variants?:  Seems like vaccinated people would be able to create variants as well?  Breakthrough infections of vaccinated people has not been well reported.  Again, can’t vaccinated people cause variants as well?

16.  ADE:  Concerned about ADE (antibody dependent enhancement). https://covid19reporter.com/director-of-cdc-rochelle-walensky-warns-of-ade-antibody-dependent-enhancement-from-israel-data/

17.  Whole world vaccinated from a limited set of companies?   Strange that a limited number of companies want to vaccinate the whole world with a substance that has unknown long-term implications.

18.  “Booster” frequency:  No clarity on how often boosters may be needed.  Booster may sound like an fun enticing word.  Instead, booster sounds like a repeated vaccine shot.

19.Masks: Why aren’t people at companies, organizations, and medical facilities taught the CDC “knot and tie” technique for mask ends?!!! (on a widespread level)

19.  Transparent Disclaimer:  Again, don’t let certain concerns above stop anyone from getting the vaccine if it is the best interest.  
Not a vaccine expert.
It may be definitely be life saving for some people, especially for certain elderly, and if certain medical conditions otherwise.
Could never say the answer for everyone.
Just expressing concerns for some systems, at the very least. 
Definitely feel like people should be able to have transparent discussions with others, without shame or job loss being introduced.
The lack of ability to have discussions about this is not good.


“The only industry in the world that bears no liability for injuries or deaths resulting from their products, are vaccine makers.”
Arms makers – but that’s a different story Nobody’s forcing us to buy guns. When we do, we don’t always use them.


‘a study “? the “study” doesn’t even say how many in it, how many got it, ages or if had other conditions – sounds pretty lame and made up. It also states natural immunity lasts atleast 8-12 months, that is good and longer than can be said for vaccine and another reason why people with natural immunity shouldn’t be forced or need it right away. Also says they don’t know how long it lasts long term, same can be said for vaccine, though it looks now to not be very long since they say it’s waning and the need for boosters


Man Nunzab, that bastion of journalistic gravitas “ABC” wouldn’t attempt to put a spin on anything would they? Oh wait, I think they would. In fact I know they would. They have an agenda. After all, what’s more important anyway, your journalistic integrity or an agenda?


Hey Skippy. Seems like this thread is drying up.


Yep, looks like the party is about over and you missed it. Go on back to sleep. Unless you had something else to add.

Maybe you can take over Mr. Ed’s “Dead dope of the Day” feature.

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Ed must be either out sick with Covid, or back to working diligently at Moderna manufacturing 3rd & 4th boosters


Compare Covid state between states. Maybe the red states are exaggerating their numbers?


Oh Sue, I Almost feel sorry for you.


Ain’t it the truth. People somehow get stuck on stupid at some point in they’re life and most don’t seem to ever recover. That is sad.:(


“The CEO of Pfizer said Sunday the COVID-19 pandemic would likely subside by next year, allowing for a return to normal life.
He said the COVID-19 virus would likely continue to evolve, requiring annual vaccinations. ”

oh of course, you mean after the first 3 in 6 months! Of course everyone get on board their gravy train for the rest of your lives! The shot maker is “calling the shots” for everyone’s future, how unethical

“I don’t think this means that variants will not continue coming, and I don’t think this means we should be able to live our lives without having vaccinations.”

What!? Look at the last statement: we shouldn’t be able to live our lives without vaccination?! says the person raking in $ money on this, who are you to say we shouldn’t be able to live w/o a vaccine

“Bancel said people who do not get vaccinated would “immunize themselves naturally” because the Delta variant is highly transmissible. ”

Yes that’s right, acknowledge natural immunity- and they are immune and leave them alone



“But you know the first rule of medicine is to not give people what they don’t need.”said Dr. Angela Branche, an infectious disease expert with the University of Rochester’s School of Medicine.

Uh huh, exactly! So leave people with natural immunity alone!


Mer Kat

The results are starting to pour in and the paper-thin ‘science’ that the CDC and WHO keeps pushing isn’t panning out. Every day for the last week I’ve seen more articles about the unforseen risks and drawbacks from the vaccinations.

The dominos have started to topple. It’s only a matter of time before the variants mutate to a point that the vaccination is entirely useless.

I stopped trusting everything these agencies and puppet doctors were saying after they tried to tell me that natural immunity was inferior to the type produced by the vaccine. Bullshit. I smell bullshit.


Yeah, heard that before. I also heard trump would be reinstated by the pillow guy. Didn’t happen. Paper thin science? At least it’s science unlike your rantings.

John Brown

The best reason not to get the shots is that there are proven safe, effective treatment with FDA approved drugs and supplements. There are doctors all over who are using effective treatment protocols to cure people and usually keep them out of the hospital. https://c19protocols.com/ If your doctor won’t follow these protocols, you can contact the doctors who will and they will prescribe and treat you. They’ve been doing this since the beginning of Covid in 2020, but the FDA claims their methods don’t work and are dangerous which is total BS. The bottom line, is there’s more money to be made with vaccines, even though they don’t work! Parts of India knocked out the Delta Variant even though the Lead Scientist of WHO discouraged use of it. https://hannenabintuherland.com/asia/india-charges-who-scientist-soumya-swaminathan-for-mass-murder-the-beginning-of-accountability/?fbclid=IwAR3mP7VSJi0CK35bqE5WjrQhloD5AYUunKYDdEerewdcjnnQemAn2ovwRtw Wake up people! The FDA, CDC and GOV’T are not trustworthy. They are putting us all in danger, on purpose…the question to be asking is WHY????


This is wonder and I’ve shared it. Keep up the great work. Thank you.


“Despite 95% vaccination rate, Cornell today has five times more COVID cases than it did this time last year”



Right on vaccine!!!! Way to protect that population.Upraised fist in triumph!


Did you not read
“If the goal is to prevent infection, the 95 percent vaccination rate on Cornell’s campus has not accomplished that”


LOL! Yeah, I got it Nunzab. You know me, being sarcastic. Of course the vaccine failed. It was a huge, huge disappointment to Ed but for a lot of the rest of us, it lived up to it’s hype. It didn’t prevent the spread of anything. Of course, that was as expected.


Oh I’m sorry DowntownED, for some reason I misread thought it was ED


DownvoteED oops


Good thing it’s free or people would probably want their money back lol


You missed the larger point of this story.
Yeah the virus is extremely contagious, almost as bad as measles.

How many students were hospitalized? Answer: none.
How many students died? Answer: none.

I’d say that the vaccinations did a fine, lifesaving job.

Leave it to ignorant anti-vaxxers to spin it the opposite, untruthful way.

So much fun popping anti-vaxxer ‘gotcha balloons’.
You are such easy targets. It is laughable.

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Mr. Ed, there you go ignoring facts and spinning whats left the way you want to make the outcome you want. And what of the 5% that weren’t vaccinated? Why do you ignore that piece of the article? According to your logic, the unvaccinated 5% should have been hospitalized, used up precious icu beds therefore preventing other, more intelligent sick people from using them and then they should have all died. But that didn’t happen. Another thing also, how sick someone gets or doesn’t get is a very subjective thing. You can’t say that because someone got the jab and then didn’t get sick and die if they got the covid was because of the jab. That person very well may not have gotten all that sick from it to begin with. Jab or no jab. There are people dying with and without the jab. There are people getting sick with or without the jab. There are many who have not gotten the jab that survived their encounter with covid with nothing more than some temporary discomfort and now have a natural immunity to covid.

You wonder why some of us have a hard time with the things you pro-vaxxers are shouting at us, well, here you go. You don’t want to present the whole story and talk about it factually. You take the part you want, run with it and then expect the rest of us to ignore the whole story also and take away from it what you want us to have from it. In a word, it’s a dishonest practice. Impossible to make an informed decision when you are presented with only a one sided view of things. And for realjessie this is the part where being an independent thinker comes in along with a healthy dose of skepticism from those presenting a one sided view.

I see you did put that rubber hose up your a$$ and blowing you up some balloons to have fun with. I guess it’s pretty boring in that little white room. I bet they put you in a round room and told you to sit in the corner and to this day you are still looking for that corner to sit in.


There’s something so American about thinking a pandemic affecting the globe is actually all about your government trying to control you.
To see death and destruction on astronomical levels in other countries, but decide this was all for the change to microchip and further subjugate you.


“To see death and destruction on astronomical levels in other countries, but decide this was all for the change to microchip and further subjugate you.”

Let’s see about this death and destruction of yours on an astronomical scale:

smallpox=500 million deaths

black plague=75-200 million deaths estimated

1918 flu=50 million deaths

plague of justinian=30-50 million and roughly half of the planets population at the time.

aids=32-36 million deaths estimated

I could go on, but that’s the top 5. Now where does your astronomically destructive covid rank? It currently resides in the no 10 spot with 4.7 million deaths worldwide.

While that is still a tragic number, it is no where even close in scale to some of it’s more deadly predecessors.

So maybe you need to step back and take a more realistic look at the astronomical scale of death. Your view seems somewhat skewed.

“There’s something so American about thinking a pandemic affecting the globe is actually all about your government trying to control you.”

microchip? no. subjugation, hell yes. how can it be anything else but? big brother wants you to have a vaccination card to work, travel, buy and sell. Why is that jab so important if not for control of big brothers subjects? Why else is a ‘vaccine forced onto us that doesn’t stop you from getting covid nor stopping you from spreading it to others? Why is natural immunity discounted? No, no ulterior motives with the jab on anyone’s mind. All gov’t agencies and branches are as pure as the wind driven snow. Right?

I do not tell anyone not to get the jab if they want it. same token, I don’t want anyone telling me I have to go get it if I don’t want it.

Maybe you should try getting your head out of msm’s ass and maybe look for a few facts msm don’t want you to know. An informed decision is a smart decision and it don’t sound to me like you’re fully informed.

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The covid-19 pandemic is not over you dimwit. Current status 4.55 million dead. Also, small pox, and 1918 flu both had vaccines that helped eradicate them. If you weren’t such a Satchmo and got the vaccination, we could be open up again.

Since I want to make sure you look up the correct definition:
The politically-correct way of insulting a person implying that the insultee is a morbidly-obese, smelly, unattractive pathetic loser with a personality to match.


“The covid-19 pandemic is not over you dimwit. Also, small pox, and 1918 flu both had vaccines that helped eradicate them.”

Bingo, and you call me the dimwit. Your little vaccine there is not helping to eradicate your covid like the small pox or the 1918 flu vaccines did. Those vaccines worked by preventing you from getting the disease to begin with. Covid vaccines don’t even try to accomplish that mission. Stated right up front. So if you take the jab, you can still get the disease and still pass it on. I can’t see the accomplishment in that. They say, well, you won’t get as sick. So what the hell is that? A big nothing burger. That’s subjective at very best. I have already a 99% plus chance of survival and with nothing more than possibly a little discomfort. Now, go create the covid vaccine that will actually prevent you from getting the disease and you might have something on your hands that can actually eradicate the coof.

“If you weren’t such a Satchmo and got the vaccination, we could be open up again.”

Huhm, “we could be open up again”. Could be “open up” anyway. But if you’re waiting on the 100% vaccination rate so you can be safe to go outside again, I don’t know how you mean to accomplish that given the covid vaccine is not a preventative measure. I think the covid is here to stay as long as your vaccine is non preventative. It’s kind of like your breath. It stinks, so you go brush your teeth and it is ok again for a little while. But then your breath starts to stink again so you have to go brush your teeth again. Your vaccine is like that. A constant, non ending cycle. Also, if you step in dog crap, you clean your shoe up, remove the offending dog poo and then shoot your satchmo dog, you have just performed preventaive dog poo on the shoe episodes for the future then you can go back outside safely.

“Since I want to make sure you look up the correct definition:
The politically-correct way of insulting a person implying that the insultee is a morbidly-obese, smelly, unattractive pathetic loser with a personality to match.”

I did look the word up and apparently it has several different meanings, so not specific to your usage here. But I did decide that you are a woke, snowflake, scared little child. Why don’t you find someone local to you to hold your little hand while you go to the sandbox to play and give you some encouragement that everything’s gonna be ok. You just need the courage to believe and maybe a swift kick in the ass to get rid of some of that stupid in you.


“I’d say that the vaccinations did a fine, lifesaving job”

And for the 100th time, if so those who got vax are protected why do you care or fear those who didn’t?! You can catch it from a vax or unvax person. You apparently still have zero faith in the miracle shot to save you yet push it on others-


It’s all the un-vaxxed trying to get hospital services, which is killing innocent people who have real emergencies.



Let’s do a little exercise in futility using your supposition about hospitals and doctors and their role. I see that you think an anti-vaxxer should just not try to get health services from the medical community if they get sick from covid. After all, it was there own damned fault they got it, right? So let’s carry this line of reasoning out to a more complete logical assumption. Anyone seeking help for a heart attack should just go ahead and die. After all, they had to be responsible for their own bad choices in their lifestyle that caused them to have that heart attack, right? A person gets cancer, well, they should also just go ahead and die. There bad lifestyle choices made them get the cancer, right? A person with diabetes, same thing right? A person with Alzheimer’s, again, same thing right? This list can go on but I think the point is made.

So to boil it all down into a nutshell, what you are saying is that no one should have a need for medical services/hospitals or doctors because somewhere along the line they had to make bad choices for there health to fail them like it did.

All doctors/nurses, anyone involved in the medical profession have their personal reasons for being there. But without sick people, for whatever reason they’re sick, is why the industry exists. No sick people, or no sick people seeking medical help would shut the industry down.

So who are the innocent? By your reasoning, there aren’t any.

What is a real emergency by your reasoning? Any problem anyone has as long as it’s not covid related and didn’t take the shot? About sums it up doesn’t it? Nothing biased in your opinion is there?


So your belief is that people shouldn’t be held responsible for the consequences of there own decisions? Big Mommy Healthcare should just take care of them like the little babies they are?

Go back to CNN if you want to spew those liberal commie views you frigging CCP troll.


Well sir vernon. here you go. it seems to me that you think the only ones that should be held accountable for a bad health decision in there life are the so called anti-vaxxers. Go ahead and tell me that is what you think. You can admit it here. I already know.

Makes no difference what I think about peoples personal responsibility for their health care decisions. You seem to have missed the hole point. Even though you already thought that way. Only the ant-vaxxers should be held accountable for not taking the vaccine but it’s ok for a fat ass to pig out constantly and still expect the health care system to take care of them.

If I had it my way, the gov’t would not be involved in the health care industry in any way, shape or form. The entire industry would be much more reasonable price wise if you had to pay as you go. There would also be competition in the industry to be more consumer friendly price wise.

But, I’l head on back over to cnn and see if i can dream up some more pro vaxx shit for ya. Then I’ll just come back over and troll you some more.


What do I think?

Rugged individualism. Take care of yourself, don’t suck off on Big Healthcare to take care of you.



The take away here Vernon is not the state of our health system and gov’t involvement or who pays for what. It’s a given that the whole system is going to collapse under it’s own weight and piss poor management(and that’s not just healthcare). This whole comment board has been about the pro-vaxxers and their stance that the so called anti-vaxxers should either give up their personal rights and get the jab or just piss away and die. We’re scum of the earth that doesn’t deserve to exist in their politically correct world. They think we should eat, breathe, think and exist in this world the same way as they do. Of course the anti-vaxxers take the stand that our rights are unalienable and bestowed upon us by God and that our gov’t does not have the right to force that liquid into our bodies. In other words, it is our God given right to make that choice. You can argue all day long, post links to bolster your “facts” that the vaccine is either good for you or useless/unhealthy or deadly. The bigger picture here is the callous and unwanted intrusion and subversion of your rights in all of this and the folks here that have so willingly given their rights a swift kick in the ass and sent them packing.


Just sounds like a lot of whining to me.


We may be whining now, but you will be whining forever when God pass his judgment on this evil world.


I pray for you. God blessed us with a beautiful world, not an evil one. Shameful comment you ATHEIST.


You don’t seem to under what people are saying on this board.  I did not say God is evil.  Everything is this world is created by God, which, you’re right is beautiful.  But, there are evil people in this world that will be punished.  Matt 8:12 “While the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.”  I also suggest you read psalm 112.  And stop with the name calling, it just shows your immaturity.

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Stop quoting the Bible and start living it.

And YOU said the world is evil not me you frigging hypocrite.

I pray that God will not judge you any more harshly than your deeds deserve.


Carole, save yourself some aggravation. This guy is a troll and his only purpose is to disagree with anything anybody says while not having anything to say at all. All trolls need attention and when they don’t get it they will eventually go away. He will answer for himself one day as we all will.


Call it what you will. That’s entirely up to you. Sometimes you gotta fight for your freedoms even if it is just a battle of words. You ever change your mind and want to protect your rights, you gotta do it while you still have them.

But speaking of trolls, funny how you showed up here and I am the only one you have replied to. Get in the fight man, for or against. Makes no difference to me. Calling me names all day doesn’t bother me. It’s a comment board and you can do that. I may reply back calling you a name also but that’s ok. It is what it is. Some folks love their freedom, what’s left of it while others freely give it back to the gov’t in exchange for what, more safety? Yeah, that’s gonna work real well for everyone.


I’m in the game. It’s called grow up and get a life.

But if you want to be a scared little boy all your life go ahead. Free country.

Mike Smith

So much fun popping anti-vaxxer ‘gotcha balloons’.

You are such easy targets. It is laughable.”

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Like I said, Ed is a troll.


Here’s your latest installment of the “dead anti-vaxxer dope of the day” feature.

Idaho nurse who refused COVID vaccine dies: brother (msn.com)

“An Idaho nurse who refused the COVID-19 vaccine, and encouraged her family to do the same, even after her COVID-infected mother went into a coma, has died, according to her brother.

Daryl Rise told CNN that his older sister Natalie Rise was a victim of disinformation.

“She was telling me not to get vaccinated,” Daryl Rise said. “I think it was from misinformation, I think it was falling into negative social media and bloggers, YouTubers.”

Even while in the hospital and receiving oxygen, the former nurse told her younger brother not to get vaccinated.

“We’re hearing from all these doctors and professionals who have all this education and they’re basically begging us to get the vaccination. The people that are telling us not to, they’re not as educated as these doctors, and they’re following social media. It doesn’t matter if we’re a donkey or an elephant. It is a personal choice, but the numbers don’t lie,” Daryl Rise told KLXY.”

Yeah that nurse was one hard-core anti-vaxxer. I guess she must be an anti-vaxx heroine or saint. She was at death’s door with covid and was still cautioning her family to NOT get vaccinated.

I wonder if this nurse visited this thread on her internet travels. I wonder if she swallowed Christian Elliot’s “18 Reasons” manifesto hook, line and sinker.

It sure sounds like it. How about you, knowing this what are you going to do?

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I wonder if this nurse visited this thread on her internet travels. I wonder if she swallowed Christian Elliot’s “18 Reasons” manifesto hook, line and sinker.”

I guess we’ll never know now. One things for sure, you’ve swallowed the big one, in fact, you’ve deep throated it. You know Ed, msn, cnn and these other news sources you like to cite. Anyway, I can go ahead and answer your last question on the above post, even after all your news posts, dead dope of the day, name calling and vile attitude, I still am not going to take your jab. Even if it’s your much touted moderna. Sure you don’t have stock in moderna?


All the smart money owns moderna.

Hopefully you bought yours some time in 2020 or earlier.


The truth is out now. RealJessie owns stock in moderna also and is trying to push this vaccine narrative to make more money. Blood money. Don’t want it on my hands.


Where did anyone say I own MRNA? Please show me. Seriously.

Hoping to get one on the side of your pre-conceived narrative? Too bad for you.

And really too bad for you that you’re so wrapped up in the Baby’s lie-riddled temper tantrums that you missed the opportunity to invest in real innovation and science. Could have secured the financial future of your family by realizing the Moderna folks are a helluva lot smarter than you.


Clears throat. You did say that’s where all the “smart money” is at. I guess you’re saying you don’t have money invested in moderna, mrna, whatever you want to call it. What happened to you? That’s where the smart money is at you said.

Hoping to get one on the side of your pre-conceived narrative? Too bad for you.”

Yeah, you got one over on me there. Not even sure what you are talking about.

Who/what is the baby?

Mine and my family’s future is as secure as it can be until the gov finishes screwing over everybody. Then everyone will be suckling the gov’t teet.

Oh, and I agree 100% the moderna folks are a helluva lot smarter than I am. Doesn’t speak to their moral compass. Hell, Hitler was smart also.


You seem to be plagued by gay fantasies.
I guess there’s no vaccine for that.


Ed, you’re showing hate for the gay crowd. A vaccine against gayness? You better watch yourself or you’re going to have all of ’em marching in front of your house protesting your anti gayness. In todays society, with the help of your kind of thinking, wokeness, whatever, they might even string you up by a rope and msn, cnn would be all over it. The gays get revenge on a gay hater and rightfully so. It would be all over the news. After all, it was an act of social justice, correct?

But yeah, I’m very gay when I’m spending time with my wife, kids, family, doing things I like to do. Hunting, fishing, trolling idiots on the internet. All kinds of things make me gay.


That’s rich. You are the one spewing gay aspersions as insults and you’ve done it multiple times.

I’m guessing from your emotional immaturity that you are either still in high school or you never graduated from high school.

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That’s rich. You are the one spewing gay aspersions as insults and you’ve done it multiple times.”

You will have to provide links on that one Ed. That is a fabrication that you have no way of proving because it just ain’t so. One single link please!

I’m guessing from your emotional immaturity that you are either still in high school or you never graduated from high school.”

Well now Ed, I’m still suckling a pacifier and still stickin it to a dump like you. Just look at my potential as I get older.


Nurses quitting, who don’t believe in science. I don’t see a downside to it.


I don’t see a downside either. They’re standing up for themselves if they believe in the science or not.


Same can be said of the people that had severe side effects from the vaccine.

Bottom line is that it is a universal human right to determine yourself what is and isn’t put into your body based on informed consent.

And yes, even choosing for the option that might only put you at a 1% risk of death … you still might die and probably regret your decision


It’s no a universal right to get others ill, or dead. Your rights end where my rights begin. This is the legal basis in the United States, but you wouldn’t know that since you are a russian troll.


You can get others ill or dead being vaccinated as well being as you can still get and spread it- also if the vaccine works as they claim those vax shouldn’t get ill or die


Sounds to me like you’re saying that your rights are more important than his rights. Since you’ve taken the jab you are apparently saying that you can no longer get covid or transmit covid. Is that what you are saying? If it is, I want to know what vaccine you’re getting. If the vaccine you have already had still allows you to get and transmit covid then aren’t you yourself trying to exercise that universal right that you’re accusing him of? Killing people?
Lastly, that word “ klaasdenhelder” looks to be a word from the Netherlands. Where did you get russian troll from? Oh well, there’s an old saying you should think about adhering to that goes like this “Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt”
Sure you aren’t a troll? Just asking.


Actually, I misspoke on that very first line. I stated that you thought your rights were more important than his rights. Actually, you have no rights to force him to take the jab, but the other guy does have rights not to take the jab.


“The Latest: CDC study says COVID-19 can spread in vaccinated”
“A new study of Texas prison inmates provides more evidence that coronavirus can spread even in groups where most people are vaccinated.”



C’mon man. How many times do you have to be told? If you are vaccinated and are infected you won’t need to be hospitalized. You won’t die.

What, that isn’t enough of a benefit for you? No one said this vaccine was 100% effective.

Come on, wake the eff up and stop spreading anti-vaxx propaganda.


Just showing vaccine passports and vaccinated only events and all this segregation, vax vs unvax, is pointless when ANYONE can get it and spread it anywhere anytime any place


“If you are vaccinated and are infected you won’t need to be hospitalized. You won’t die.”

Really? Guaranteed? MISINFORMATION, Not a fact, vax people have.
You sound just like Biden when he declared you will not get the virus if you get this shot.
You said above vaccine not 100% perfect, so make up your mind on what you spew


Actually, the vaccine passport is just a way of keeping stupid people from being around us smary people. Nunzab, you are a dimwit, and thus unteachable. Continue with your QAnon research you whack job.


us smary people”

Uh huh! Ok.


‘Smary?’ oh you meant ‘Smart!’


Ed impersonated me


“Debunking Biden’s Claim We Must “Protect the Vaccinated from the Unvaccinated”


Mike Smith

Again: If the ‘vaccines’ are effective at protecting the ‘vaccinated’, there is zero reason for the ‘vaccinated’ to care who did and did not get the shot.

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“Protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated” is just a Marxist trope that pits the imaginary oppressed (‘vaccinated’) against the imaginary oppressors (‘unvaccinated’).

And when this us-versus-them antagonism is effectively called out, the most common reaction is to project and accuse the rational accuser of being a “science denier”. It is The Golden Rule of the Left writ large.


Again dimwit, if the virus keeps going unchecked, it will continue to mutate. It’s ok for you to die that’s your choice, just don’t take me with you.


Yo there skippy. i suppose you just gonna have to splain too me what ya mean. What’s checking the virus now? Who’s checking the virus? How do you check it? Seems like it’s running around pretty willy nilly too me. Someone said there was a vaccine for it but we still haven’t found it yet. It’s not stopping anyone from getting the covid nor is it stopping anyone from spreading it. So just how is it being checked? That virus don’t give a damn about your little vaccine. Back when science made real vaccines it stopped you from getting the virus it was trying to protect you from. That’s when vaccines were real vaccines. Not this fake a$$ crap they got goin on now.
Also, if I die, I’m not making you go with me. I mean you can if you want to but it’s not mandatory. Nobody’s makin you sign a contract or anything. I wouldn’t want your ‘ol liberal a$$ with me anyhow. We wouldn’t get along at all. One of us would end up with a beat down.
I don’t know what you’re worried about anyway, age old cry of all you vaxxers, don’t take me with you. Why hasn’t your precious vaccine boosted your confidence level beyond the stars. It works and it’s good for you, right?

I think that so called vaccine was nothing more than a paranoia and compliance shot. You vaxxers on here sure are paranoid enough anyway.

In conclusion, from the paranoia exhibited by the vaxxers on this site, I would have to say they don’t believe it really works either.

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Mike Smith

“…from the paranoia exhibited by the vaxxers on this site, I would have to say they don’t believe it really works either.”

Good point!

If the ‘vaccines’ work as advertised, why the hell are so many people trying to shame others into taking them?


You are absolutely correct. Why? The answers lie in the fact that they are sheep that follow their herder.If they had any glimmer of independent thought, they would at least question it but they don’t. If they had a single ounce of common sense, it wouldn’t make sense to them either. Two very important traits that used to be in most people. I guess that’s another tragedy of our failed institutions of learning. Very few are taught how to think for themselves. Just follow the leader.


And why do you consider yourself such an independent thinker? All we see from you are re-hashes of specious arguments made on alt-right websites. So where’s YOUR independent thought?


“And why do you consider yourself such an independent thinker?”

Let’s see here realjessie, being an independent thinker is really about personality. Independent thinkers are eager for knowledge and always endeavor to expand and perfect their knowledge in any area which is interesting for them. It’s not about looking at one side and thinking that is the answer. It’s looking at other points of view, other facts and coming to a decision without having to be told what your decision is.

“All we see from you are re-hashes of specious arguments made on alt-right websites.” 

Could be, shows how smart and right they are to question the mainstream narrative which is one and the same as the big gov’t narrative.

“So where’s YOUR independent thought?”

Well, if you had any independent thought of your own you would realize that I am a facetious person and like to have fun with people like you and Ed because you are such good little company men. I don’t post links here, save for one link for exoneration forms against this vaccine, I’m not trying to prove anything to you or anyone else. Just the folly and lack of wisdom in blindly following your msm jabberwocky. A critical thinker would probably say too themselves something like this “why in the hell would I ever listen to any media outlet and anything they had to say when they have a record of lying. They aren’t a trustworthy entity worth relying on.”


Original thinking has nothing to do with personality. It has everything to do with brains.


being smart/brains is not a qualification to be an independent thinker. It is every bit a personality trait. It’s a desire to know all sides of an event, a process, etc. Being smart is often accompanied with independent and critical thinkers but just the desire to know more so you can form your own independent opinion is all that’s required.

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An original thinker usually is pretty darned smart. I’ll hand you that. But I didn’t reference original thinking now did I?


I now understand. My wife has passed away from covid-19. I’m a coward for not getting the vaxx earlier. Please forgive me my angel.


Sure you are not really Mr. Ed? You loser jackass.

Posted by the real and genuine DownvoteEd.!


We know it’s you, Ed, that is a sick joke, remember Karma comes around


Fake DownvoteED, you are a true shame to the comments section! FAKE FAKE FAKE !


Oh here we go again nice try Mr Ed hiding and creating pseudonyms and stealing people’s identities, grow up chicken use your own name –

I didn’t post this BS

The real Nunzab


Well very interesting.Thank you. I have learned a lot from reading it. I will not take this shot. Everyone should have a choice of the own medical.


Does that include abortions?


Thank you


For what? Listening to an unqualified, amateur conspiracy nut who profits from internet clicks? Every point he makes in his ’18 reasons’ manifesto has been debunked. Just look further on in this thread.

Make no mistake. People who swallow what this Christian Elliot fool is peddling are risking their lives.

Try going here instead, to get the truth:


Maybe I should ask the question. Is that you Christian, giving your own manifesto ‘likes’ or ‘thanks’? I wouldn’t put it past you. You are one shady character.

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“Try going here instead, to get the truth:

Well, I’ll just be dipped in a bowl of tater salad. Them folks right there even has themselves a vaccine safety net award provided by none other than that bastion of altruism, the world health organisation itself. Whoooaaaaa!!!!


Oh, and Mr. Ed here is being too kind, he debunked it all by himself. Don’t let him fool ya. Gotta give credit where credit is due.No one can gather msm news/media better than Ed anywhere. Everything he posts here is certified gospel truth. Go ahead, take his word for it. He’ll tell ya.


Well lookee here, this site says: “While it is true that natural immunity usually results in better immunity than vaccination”
confirms what we all know but others refuse to acknowledge


Which of the 18 points do you disagree with? Specifics please. Your rants are falling on deaf ears without specifics. He highlighted, with references, his issues with the vaccine. Which are incorrect?


All of them. Each point is nonsense or distortions he scarfed on the internet. Here’s a point by point rebuttal by someone more qualified than me to discuss Elliot’s amateur manifesto.


I wonder if Christian Elliot will ever know how many people he has gotten to refuse the vaccine who later died. He doesn’t give a shjt. He’s just mining internet clicks. It’s all about the money for him. He could care less who dies.


I already made my decision long before reading this article, prob most people have, and he’s not responsible for others ‘ decisions


His ‘manifesto’ has spread far and wide on the web. Are you trying to tell us that no one has bought his propaganda and thereby vowed to resist getting vaccinated? Is Christian Elliot the ‘teflon’ anti-vaxxer? Can’t get him for any of this garbage he peddles?


“teflon anti-vaxxer?”

LOL! Ed. That’s pretty good. I like it.

His ‘manifesto’ has spread far and wide on the web. Are you trying to tell us that no one has bought his propaganda and thereby vowed to resist getting vaccinated?”

Maybe it has, maybe it hasn’t. Guess we’ll never really know. His “propaganda” is supported by a lot of facts from independent sources. Something your “propaganda” has a hard time doing and only spouts a one sided view of the so called “facts”. I put that in quotes because your “facts” are highly ionized and they come from less than reputable sources and as such makes your “facts” questionable.

“Can’t get him for any of this garbage he peddles?”

That’s the thing about a board like this. No accountability for the things said on here. And his article, while reviled by the likes of you is protected under the first amendment. Now, let’s take that a little farther. The first amendment gives him the right to say pretty much what he wants. No one has the right from any amendment in the constitution to be heard or listened too. That includes Mr. Elliot, you, me or any one else. I don’t know why you keep coming here if you don’t like what he had too say. You are ineffectual at changing anybodies mind on this matter. You mostly just open your mouth and prove to people what a real idiot you are. Haven’t seen one single post on this board yet thanking you for helping them make the decision to get the shot. But if there is, by all means, post the link and I will recant what I said about your ineffectiveness. It will have to be a post older than this one though.


Hey people. Don’t get your (mis)information from this Christian Elliot clown. He is entirely unqualified to talk about vaccines or pandemics. He has zero qualifications. All his ‘information’ is junk science he scarfed off the internet.

Try coming here instead:


Don’t put it off. Check it out now before you risk another day being vulnerable.



No, why get your mis-information from this Christian Elliot clown when you can get it straight from Ed.

Ed is entirely qualified to talk about vaccines and pandemics. He got his doctorate off of the internet. Only cost him $299.99 too and they guarantee you your diploma if you pass the exam/board or not. You know, part of the “don’t leave no doctor behind” school of thinking.

Just go to the link he provided and all will be made clear.

Peace out!


I offer no advice or counsel.
I simply provide links to qualified advice from qualified experts, unlike you or your hero Elliot.

I also provide links to real stories of people who chose to remain unvaccinated and who then suffered the needless consequences.

Unlike you, I don’t lie or make up shjt.

Truth hurt much, anti-vaxxer?


WHAT WHAT WHAT? You DID offer advice that the J& vaccine was not up to par. And you continually insult all the people with critical thinking skills that are vaccine hesitant or more appropirately deemed ‘vaccine considering.’

Forrest Myers

Ed, enjoy your blood clot. I will enjoy seeing people like you die.


And idiots who allow themselves to be infected suffer a blood clot problem 100 times worse than any vaccine effect.

Everyone I know got vaccinated. Not a blood clot experienced by any of us.

Just another anti-vaxx lie from a paranoid misfit.


Yeah a whole 20 people you said


“Just another anti-vaxx lie “??

Not sure why you are calling that a lie? Blood clots from vaccines HAVE happened


I think it is a great thing right wingers are against the vaccine. More will die off with Covid and with fewer numbers of them it will be easier for us to beat them in elections.

Just look at the large number of conservative radio hosts in small markets who have died off. Think it is about six now.


Nice try lefty. I am a conservative Republican and I jumped through hoops to get my Moderna vaccine as soon as I could.

It is tragic and wrong that so many Republicans are idiot anti-vaxxers. We’re not all stupid just as not all democrats are as insane as AOC, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer or drooling demented Joe Biden.

Are you enjoying the high inflation and obscene invasion of the border?

Sorry to get political but you started it.

Mike Smith

“Nice try lefty. I am a conservative Republican and I jumped through hoops to get my Moderna vaccine as soon as I could.”

Eventually, Bill will own the royal mess the Democrat Party is making.

Meanwhile, nice try at kabuki theater Ed!

I will ask you again:

  • ● What republic are you serving?
  • ● What, exactly, are you conserving?

If you cannot answer either question, conservative Republicans should ask whether you’ve given to the Lincoln Project (and if not, why?)

“…Republicans… We’re not all stupid just as not all democrats are as insane as AOC, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer or drooling demented Joe Biden.”


  • ● And your point?

Tell me:

  • ● Do you believe all unvaccinated Republican voters are stupid, Ed?

“Sorry to get political but you started it.”

You sound more like Controlled Opposition every day, Ed.


“Do you believe all unvaccinated Republican voters are stupid, Ed?”

In a word … YES.

Those that are still alive that is. You’ve all seen the reports of very vocal right wing conservatives who were anti-vaxx. Many who had radio talk shows have died and some regretted not getting vaccinated before they succumbed.

Thanks for such an easy question.

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Please, don’t get Ed started on politics. Geeeez! You might out him from his liberal closet. Oh, my bad. He’s already out of the closet.


So you lie about my political persuasion almost as well as you lie about the vaccine.

You reveal yourself as a compulsive, pathological liar.

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And you, Ed, reveal yourself as an angry crank.

Mike Smith

“So you lie about my political persuasion almost as well as you lie about the vaccine.”

‘DownvoteED’ is not lying about you. And you also cannot prove ‘DownvoteED’ is lying about the vaccine, sir.

Anyone can vote Republican. But that is not the full measure of a Republican in this country.

Look at your position through a rational observer’s eyes, Ed:

Does Ed vote Republican?

  • Maybe, maybe not.

Does Ed conform to the Republican Party Platform?

  • No.

Don’t believe me? Here’s the Party Platform:

Folks can quibble all day about the vaccine. But the vaccine mandates violate Constitutional, individual rights and the Republican Party Platform.

Peddling hysteria about the ‘unvaccinated’ and shaming people into ‘vaccinated’ status only fits the Democrats’ false oppressor-versus-oppressed, mandate or nothing agenda.

And if my suspicion of you is correct, Ed, attempts to get Republicans to attacks each other will not work here either.

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Well seems like vaccines work:”

They certainly do to you! Very apparent.


We shouldn’t need mandates. I, and everyone I know both Republican or Democrat, got vaccinated as soon as they could.

Only the brainless, paranoid anti-vaxxers refused to get vaccinated. They are the ones who make a mandate even necessary.

Was there any mandate for the polio vaccine? Of course not.

Any mandate for the smallpox vaccine? Of course not.

I guess people were a lot smarter and a lot less political back then.

I am extremely ashamed of having you and your ilk as members of the Grand Old Party. Don’t jump up and down and preach political purity to me. You are a filthy disgrace. That goes double for Tucker Carlson who has turned into an anti-vaxx mad dog … despite the fact that he is undoubtedly vaccinated. What a damned hypocrite.

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We shouldn’t need mandates.”

Exactly and in this scenario, they are actually unconstitutional But you don’t mind a little constitution bending if it serves your purpose, do you?

Only the brainless, paranoid anti-vaxxers refused to get vaccinated. They are the ones who make a mandate even necessary.”

Again Ed, maybe you need a refresher course on the constitution

Was there any mandate for the polio vaccine? Of course not.
Any mandate for the smallpox vaccine? Of course not.
I guess people were a lot smarter and a lot less political back then.”

People did trust the gov’t a little more in those days. However, your comparison on the vaccines is off kilter. Those vaccines were actually vaccines that eradicated those viruses it meant to fight. They were vaccines in every sense of the word. Seems like your much lauded CDC found it necessary to change the definition of a vaccine so they could call this stuff a vaccine.

I am extremely ashamed of having you and your ilk as members of the Grand Old Party. Don’t jump up and down and preach political purity to me. You are a filthy disgrace. That goes double for Tucker Carlson who has turned into an anti-vaxx mad dog … despite the fact that he is undoubtedly vaccinated. What a damned hypocrite.”

Yeah, that party aint all that grand anymore, but it’s because of political hacks like you infiltrating it that it is where it is today. Not in lock step with it’s base. Purity? You are clearly a RINO or all out democrat. It’s really hard to tell the difference between a RINO and a democrat. One and the same in my book. Don’t know about Tucker’s vaccination status and I doubt you do either. Never have watched him. But if he is vaccinated and preaching against it, that would be hypocritical. But again, you are good at assuming facts not in evidence. But that’s what you do.

one last note, I am extremely grateful that you are ashamed of me. I wouldn’t want it any other way. I think suicide would be a good option if I were about making you proud. You seem to be the antithesis of everything I believe in. Oh snap. I just realized, by your reasoning I am committing suicide aren’t I? We’ll see. Better than 99% chance I’m not though.


Lame and super verbose reply, as usual.
Do they pay you by the pound for shoveling this shjt?


Yeah Mr. Ed, sometimes it takes a lengthy reply to respond to you. But that’s ok. I got the time most of the time. My compensation though is none of your business. I believe someone else asked the same of you. This isn’t the first time you’ve asked me that though. My reply is still the same though. Yassir boss, it’s a lots to shovel boss, but somebody juss has ta do it boss. It keeps piling up.


Who needs a mandate for a shot that does not stop transmission and on a virus with 1% death rate!?


Well, let’s see here. I think I said unconstitutional. Let me look back. Oh, yep, there it is. That’s what I said. What I didn’t say was that the court looks at it that way. The supreme court is the one responsible for deciding if something is unconstitutional or not. The court is not necessarily packed with strict constitutionalist. Should be but that’s not the reality. The courts have made decisions all thru the years that deserved scrutiny and regardless if you agree with it, it sticks because they are the supreme court and they say so. And they did/do take public sentiment into consideration apparently. Now as you might have guessed, I am not a constitutional scholar. But lets’ look at some of these cases thru the years. In 1905, which is where this vaccine requirement first starts, the supreme court ruled that Mr. Jacobson basically had no legal protection from a forced jab. Yes, the supreme court held up that Mr. Jacobson would have to take the jab or be fined. Justice John Marshall Harlan in 1905 recognized fundamental importance of personal freedom, but he also decided to deny the mans rights anyway, “the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.” Now while all high and mighty sounding, I don’t remember reading in the constitution anywhere about the freedom for safety clause. Maybe point it out to me if you know where it’s at cause I missed it.

Anyway, this ruling later became known as the “reasonableness” test in which the gov’t assumed it had the authority to pass laws that further restricted individual freedoms. Now in 1920’s Virginia this same “reasonableness” test was used to force sterilization of “feeble minded” individuals housed in the states mental institutions. In the 1927 case, Buck v. Bell, the supreme court accepted questionable “facts” presented in the lower courts as evidence that Miss Bell came from a long line of “mental defectives” and her offspring were a burden on the public welfare and that she would have to be sterilized. In that case, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote in his opinion “The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes (Jacobson v Massachusetts, 197 US 11). Three generations of imbeciles are enough”. Who in the hell do these people think they are.

In just the 3 short years after that 24 states had passed involuntary sterilization laws. Sterilization laws have nothing to do with our discussion at hand, what is important is that Mr. Jacobs rights were trampled on by the supreme court and since that was ok, what else, if anything is off limits. Trample one man’s rights and you’ll trample someone else’s God given rights down the road also.


You jumped through hoops? What? Does that mean you cheated or jumped to the front of the line? What sort of criminal fraudster are you, ED ?


It means that I checked my state’s wonky and amateurish appointment site a lot and finally figured it out.

What’s the matter, did I cheat you out of a vaccine shot?

Last edited 1 month ago by Ed

Uh. Wow, Ed, I’ve never heard ‘signing up on a website’ being described as ‘jumping through hoops.’ A true first here on Citizens Opinion.